WEBVTT 00:01.040 --> 00:05.000 In this video, we're talking about getting certified options, pitfalls and more. 00:06.080 --> 00:08.080 Now this is this is version four. 00:08.320 --> 00:11.240 I've gone through and I've redone this a few times. 00:11.920 --> 00:15.880 And if you're coming back, this is most likely a updated version. 00:15.880 --> 00:21.920 And I've taken the two video sets that were about certification I combined into one along with a few 00:21.920 --> 00:22.520 updates. 00:22.800 --> 00:24.440 So let's get started. 00:25.920 --> 00:31.080 So should you get certified and if so, which one? 00:32.120 --> 00:34.160 Well, there's a lot of different certifications out there. 00:34.160 --> 00:37.600 There's Sands has all sorts of certifications. 00:37.600 --> 00:44.720 There's all sorts of network security certifications, penetrations, uh, certifications. 00:44.880 --> 00:49.800 Uh, there's a few there's more and more oaths and certifications coming out, which is really fantastic 00:49.840 --> 00:58.160 to see, because when I first started doing Osint, I, I can't remember seeing a single certification 00:58.200 --> 01:00.560 till a little bit later coming out. 01:00.560 --> 01:00.580 know. 01:01.540 --> 01:03.500 And now there's a lot of different options out there. 01:03.860 --> 01:10.300 But again, it's great to see more certifications for open source intelligence and also ethical hacking 01:10.300 --> 01:10.980 out there now. 01:14.420 --> 01:18.460 So for me I have a lot of different certifications. 01:18.860 --> 01:19.980 Certificate of completion. 01:19.980 --> 01:20.900 We'll get into that. 01:20.940 --> 01:23.740 Diplomas and whatnot I'm not going to get into all of it. 01:24.020 --> 01:26.620 There's there's actually a Google spreadsheet. 01:26.620 --> 01:29.340 This is uh, some of the ones I have. 01:29.380 --> 01:36.340 And in short, I have three engineering certifications, certified hacker information security and way 01:36.340 --> 01:39.740 too many certificates of completion and so forth. 01:40.580 --> 01:44.500 And if you really want to check it out, there's again, there's a Google doc out there that that I 01:44.500 --> 01:45.060 made public. 01:45.060 --> 01:47.020 And you can take a look at it. 01:47.780 --> 01:59.340 So this video is for um for me to kind of get out there and, uh, try to try to prevent you from making 01:59.340 --> 02:01.040 the same mistakes I made. 02:02.400 --> 02:07.680 So when it comes to certifications, certificates and whatnot, again, there's a lot of them out there. 02:07.680 --> 02:12.840 And you can see from the clip of that spreadsheet that, you know, there's a lot there is a lot. 02:12.880 --> 02:13.880 I've taken a lot. 02:14.440 --> 02:21.240 And, um, if I had to do it over again, I definitely would have done it differently and that would 02:21.240 --> 02:27.280 have saved me a lot of time, saved me a lot of money and potentially maybe a lot more money. 02:27.840 --> 02:29.280 And we'll get into that again. 02:29.600 --> 02:29.800 So. 02:32.200 --> 02:38.160 Do you certify or don't you certify or do you just do certificates of completion of anything. 02:40.200 --> 02:44.320 So the real question I would say is what are your goals. 02:44.640 --> 02:46.080 Is it personal growth? 02:46.080 --> 02:47.680 Is it a work requirement? 02:48.120 --> 02:51.400 Are you trying to make yourself more desirable to employers? 02:51.400 --> 02:55.120 Um, that includes people hiring you for contract work. 02:56.800 --> 02:59.160 Is it to improve your personal position at work? 03:00.860 --> 03:01.780 Do you have? 03:02.340 --> 03:05.940 Do you have a certification that you need CPE credit for? 03:07.780 --> 03:11.260 So you really need to know why you're getting into this. 03:12.340 --> 03:15.380 So the important thing is there's two different types. 03:15.380 --> 03:20.380 There's certificates certifications and certificates of completion. 03:21.300 --> 03:25.060 So a certification is normally going to require you to take a test. 03:25.220 --> 03:27.660 You can get CPE credits from this. 03:27.660 --> 03:29.700 You're generally awarded a certain title. 03:30.140 --> 03:33.460 Uh they're generally more sought after by employers. 03:34.060 --> 03:35.860 And they can be very expensive. 03:36.420 --> 03:42.540 Uh, I'm talking some of these could cost thousands of dollars to take a certification test. 03:42.540 --> 03:47.820 And, um, not all certifications are paid. 03:48.060 --> 03:49.380 There are free ones out there. 03:49.500 --> 03:55.620 And that's something I did want to bring up, that if you're if you're working with a vendor, uh, 03:55.660 --> 04:03.910 say, if you're have a bunch of wireless networks out there and there and you're using ruckus, or you're 04:03.910 --> 04:10.150 using, uh, um, Aruba or any of the other big vendors out there. 04:10.390 --> 04:14.550 You may be able to talk to the vendor, and if they have a certification, you may be able to get that 04:14.550 --> 04:16.150 certification test for free. 04:17.550 --> 04:25.750 And, uh, other places will have certain certification things out there that you can do for free. 04:26.430 --> 04:28.310 You just kind of want to go out there and look. 04:28.310 --> 04:33.390 But you do want to make the distinction of is it a certification or is it a certificate of completion? 04:34.550 --> 04:40.910 Now, in this case, for example, I have a this is my one of my engineering certifications accredited 04:40.910 --> 04:42.310 configuration engineer. 04:43.510 --> 04:48.310 So Ace this is for the Palo Alto firewall for example. 04:49.310 --> 04:51.350 And that was not a very cheap one. 04:51.350 --> 04:53.150 Fortunately I didn't have to pay for it. 04:53.150 --> 04:54.310 So that's the other thing. 04:54.310 --> 04:59.230 You may potentially be able to get your employer to pay for these certifications. 04:59.390 --> 05:05.770 In this case, I was able to get my employer to to pay for the training and the certification test, 05:06.330 --> 05:09.170 which was great because again, this was very expensive. 05:10.570 --> 05:16.530 Um, on the flip side, there are certificate of completion, things like you get from Udemy, for example. 05:18.490 --> 05:20.930 Uh, so this normally doesn't require a test. 05:20.930 --> 05:26.210 Some of these do have tests, but the majority don't. 05:26.450 --> 05:31.810 Not just for Udemy but for other places you can get CPE credit. 05:31.850 --> 05:34.010 A lot of time for taking these things. 05:34.490 --> 05:40.370 They may be useful to show an employer, show them that hey, look, you know, I, I took this course 05:40.890 --> 05:46.130 and depending on your employer, you may get some sort of personal growth out of it, meaning that you 05:46.130 --> 05:52.170 get additional money for taking a number of these courses that relate to your job. 05:53.530 --> 06:01.270 And these can be absolutely wonderful for for your personal learning, and it can potentially make you 06:01.270 --> 06:04.390 more valuable to employers when they look at it. 06:04.910 --> 06:08.310 But again, this is not the same as a certification. 06:08.910 --> 06:17.030 And employers may not look at it the same because certificate completion I can sit in front of a computer 06:17.030 --> 06:23.030 and I could take this, this course and whatnot, and I can get a certificate of completion generally. 06:23.150 --> 06:26.030 And in some cases, I don't even have to pay attention. 06:26.030 --> 06:30.590 I can just leave the video running, for example, and eventually it will spit out a certificate of 06:30.590 --> 06:36.430 completion in some cases, whereas a certification, a lot of times you will have to go into some sort 06:36.430 --> 06:37.990 of testing room. 06:38.430 --> 06:43.750 It's proctored or in some cases now you could do it at home. 06:43.750 --> 06:45.950 However, there are a lot of stipulations. 06:45.950 --> 06:47.630 Make sure that you are not cheating. 06:49.310 --> 06:57.790 So again, two very different avenues um, certifications and certificate completion. 06:57.830 --> 07:02.810 Now, one thing I do want to point out and this really gets me upset when I see this. 07:04.050 --> 07:12.570 There are places out there that will advertise certification, and I seen it on Udemy too, where a 07:12.570 --> 07:20.930 couple a couple courses say are certified, you know, hacker certified or whatever, and you get through 07:20.930 --> 07:26.090 it and you don't get a certification, you get a certificate of completion. 07:26.130 --> 07:27.490 Again, very different. 07:27.810 --> 07:36.890 So in this example and this was very recent, um, this particular site said they offer online certification 07:36.890 --> 07:44.210 programs, become an expert in top technologies and are extensive online certification programs. 07:44.490 --> 07:47.530 So they mentioned certification a couple times. 07:47.890 --> 07:48.810 And you look through there. 07:48.810 --> 07:59.290 There's business analytics certification, Python programming certification ethical hacking certification. 07:59.290 --> 08:04.470 And when you actually go there to buy it, you know, again, ethical hacking certification. 08:04.510 --> 08:10.470 Become an ethical hacker and prove your network skills with exceptional training. 08:10.750 --> 08:17.430 And you know, you can see it's deeply discounted from $139 to $54. 08:18.110 --> 08:22.190 And you can see if this certification if you want to give this to someone. 08:24.110 --> 08:30.070 And if you purchase it on the dashboard it says certifications and roles certifications. 08:30.590 --> 08:34.270 So this really sounds like a certification course. 08:35.150 --> 08:38.950 Well talking with them, it absolutely isn't. 08:39.470 --> 08:46.670 You will receive an individual course certificate after completing each course. 08:46.710 --> 08:51.950 You will need to take one of the final assessments which will be awarded the final certificate. 08:52.870 --> 08:59.970 So I did go back and I did talk to them more and said, hey, so this is a certificate, not a not a 08:59.970 --> 09:00.850 certification. 09:00.850 --> 09:01.250 Correct. 09:01.250 --> 09:03.650 And they said yes, as a certificate. 09:03.650 --> 09:07.090 You you end up with a certificate, not a certification. 09:07.450 --> 09:12.570 And I did point out to them, hey, look, this is very deceptive practice that you're doing here. 09:13.730 --> 09:18.290 You're saying this is a certification course, you get a certification. 09:18.290 --> 09:21.050 And what you're giving people is a certificate. 09:21.050 --> 09:26.010 And matter of fact, when you look at the thing, it says a certificate, not a certification. 09:27.330 --> 09:31.330 And unfortunately, the response was a complete silence. 09:31.330 --> 09:33.450 They didn't bother saying anything. 09:33.450 --> 09:38.650 So things like that you want to be very careful of and you want to avoid. 09:41.370 --> 09:50.210 So other things you want to look for is do you want to see is it affordable, what's available in it? 09:50.890 --> 09:59.090 Is there some sort of level of reputation qualification and, uh, preferably a lot of these. 09:59.090 --> 10:03.260 Uh, it'd be great if it has some sort of training in with the certification. 10:03.460 --> 10:05.780 If you decide to go the certification route. 10:07.980 --> 10:14.980 And by the way, I personally don't recommend taking the Ma Olsen certification. 10:15.020 --> 10:17.460 Um, I'll we'll get to that in a minute. 10:19.940 --> 10:28.220 So places like the Mohs Institute, they offer a certification course where you get all these different 10:28.620 --> 10:30.700 levels of of the thing. 10:30.940 --> 10:31.260 So. 10:33.700 --> 10:39.020 Uh, to use as an example, it was reasonably expensive at $450. 10:39.580 --> 10:44.820 Now, I say reasonably, because that may be a lot of money to certain people, and that's not to shame 10:44.820 --> 10:45.460 anyone. 10:46.060 --> 10:50.420 $450 is not a particularly insignificant amount. 10:50.460 --> 10:55.700 However, in terms of certification, that could be really cheap, especially when you're talking things 10:55.740 --> 11:06.720 about AC Council that, uh, The ethical hacking certification was around $3 $3,000 for the course and 11:06.720 --> 11:08.800 the certification test. 11:10.480 --> 11:18.000 Sands will generally run you between one to, I would say, $3,000 or so for a certification. 11:18.560 --> 11:23.000 So again, for 50, reasonably inexpensive from the grand scope of things. 11:24.440 --> 11:26.520 It has a practical certification. 11:27.120 --> 11:34.320 There were some new articles and in a positive light about it, and at least when I was looking for 11:34.320 --> 11:38.840 it and some reviewers had were pretty positive on it. 11:39.840 --> 11:40.480 Excuse me. 11:41.560 --> 11:46.440 Now, the problem is, when I took it, there were several outdated or broken tools. 11:46.440 --> 11:51.920 Some of the exercises had really confusing goals that they actually had to go back and keep tweaking 11:51.920 --> 12:00.500 the the certification as I started bringing up these issues, and it could take weeks to get a single 12:00.500 --> 12:04.020 one of these exercises graded. 12:04.980 --> 12:07.060 The lack of help was horrible. 12:08.260 --> 12:11.100 Generally, if they said if you need help, well go in. 12:11.140 --> 12:13.380 The forms problem was the forms were dead. 12:14.580 --> 12:15.500 Um. 12:15.540 --> 12:20.460 I got stuck in endless resubmission loops or as broken progress tracking. 12:20.620 --> 12:22.780 It was just a bad experience in my. 12:22.820 --> 12:23.780 In my example. 12:26.660 --> 12:27.060 Now. 12:29.540 --> 12:31.740 I also took a look at hackers. 12:31.740 --> 12:32.460 Arise. 12:34.380 --> 12:37.220 Um, open source intelligence certification. 12:37.820 --> 12:41.660 Now this was 3.99 and it comes with a training. 12:42.540 --> 12:48.580 Now I previously took the CWA through their you know that's a certified white hat associate, uh, basically 12:48.580 --> 12:51.380 a white hat hacking, uh, certification. 12:51.380 --> 12:53.540 And that one was okay. 12:53.700 --> 12:54.900 It was all right. 12:55.580 --> 12:58.180 Um, it wasn't great. 12:58.540 --> 13:09.680 I would say, but I took it because when I used to be in the null byte forums, um, this one was kind 13:09.720 --> 13:17.280 of in the works, and there wasn't really a your options were pretty much the same, which again was 13:17.280 --> 13:22.920 $3,000 and you have to go and recertify every few years. 13:23.840 --> 13:25.960 And that was way too expensive for me at the time. 13:25.960 --> 13:27.480 And this started coming around. 13:27.480 --> 13:35.360 So I took that, got certified again, reasonable price certification temp came with a bundle. 13:35.360 --> 13:39.120 You can download the videos and it had some good basics. 13:39.120 --> 13:43.040 So my issue with it was no mention of using a VM. 13:43.320 --> 13:49.720 And I find that incredibly dangerous to an open source intelligence, especially seeing how the person 13:49.720 --> 13:54.400 that runs this is supposedly worked for the NSA. 13:55.280 --> 13:57.520 Um, in some capacity. 13:59.160 --> 14:01.620 No mention of sock puppets. 14:01.660 --> 14:05.140 Uh, that feels completely irresponsible. 14:05.660 --> 14:08.420 Uh, single person runs the entire operation. 14:08.740 --> 14:11.700 It was very difficult to get Ahold of anyone. 14:11.980 --> 14:16.140 Training videos required you to have a paid Dropbox account to get to the videos. 14:16.980 --> 14:25.740 The tests didn't match the training level, and the final test was you had to unmask a real person, 14:25.740 --> 14:26.900 which felt completely wrong. 14:26.940 --> 14:31.260 Basically, you're doxing someone that, uh, they weren't doing anything wrong. 14:31.260 --> 14:37.220 This person was actually going exposing, uh, scammers, which I'm I'm all for. 14:37.620 --> 14:40.580 And the goal was to unmask who that real person was. 14:40.580 --> 14:48.700 And that seems like a very unethical goal for especially for open source intelligence, um, certification. 14:50.020 --> 14:56.780 Uh, so the expectation versus presentation training was disproportionate and again, feels potentially 14:56.780 --> 15:00.000 dangerous because no mention of a of a VPN. 15:00.040 --> 15:02.080 No mention of using a sock puppet. 15:02.120 --> 15:04.240 Yet you're supposed to unmask someone. 15:04.960 --> 15:06.240 Um. 15:06.240 --> 15:07.840 Someone's identity. 15:07.880 --> 15:10.840 So it really felt like you're set up to fail. 15:12.920 --> 15:14.040 So with that information. 15:14.040 --> 15:14.760 Now what? 15:16.200 --> 15:21.600 Well, again, there's more and more options coming out for especially if you want to take open source 15:21.600 --> 15:23.240 intelligence or ethical hacking. 15:24.440 --> 15:35.600 Now Intel Techniques has the OCP and that's by Michael Bazzell, a really incredible open source intelligence 15:35.600 --> 15:36.320 individual. 15:36.680 --> 15:38.400 I don't know him personally. 15:38.400 --> 15:40.160 I just know him by reputation. 15:41.000 --> 15:43.960 Again, there's more cybersecurity, which I don't recommend. 15:44.320 --> 15:48.440 McAfee Institute, which I did take and I, I did like it a lot. 15:48.600 --> 15:53.640 And a new one to me is OSC, which is open source certified. 15:53.760 --> 15:56.600 And this is developed by Osint professionals. 15:56.880 --> 16:04.330 And this one I even though I'm certified through McAfee Institute, I. 16:04.330 --> 16:06.890 I am tempted to take a look at the OSC also. 16:09.290 --> 16:10.770 So things to look out for. 16:11.650 --> 16:17.410 Certifications are recognized by organizations that you want to work for or potentially work for. 16:18.130 --> 16:20.970 Certifications that are all inclusive or affordable. 16:20.970 --> 16:23.090 Bundle is a good thing to look for. 16:25.570 --> 16:28.650 Certifications are willing to answer your questions before you buy. 16:29.330 --> 16:36.090 So especially if you're dealing with a expensive certification, you want to be able to ask them all 16:36.090 --> 16:41.370 the questions that you want before you take the dive and spend a whole lot of money and a whole lot 16:41.410 --> 16:42.130 of your time. 16:43.010 --> 16:45.010 After all, this is your time and money. 16:45.010 --> 16:46.170 It is valuable. 16:46.930 --> 16:55.330 So if you have questions, you have every right to ask that organization or that person those questions 16:55.330 --> 16:57.370 before you buy the course. 16:58.850 --> 17:02.470 Now is, of course endorsed and recommended or vetted by anyone. 17:02.630 --> 17:03.990 How often are they updated? 17:04.310 --> 17:11.070 Is, um, does your content, uh, is it is it content updated even after you buy? 17:11.830 --> 17:13.230 Um, how long have they been around? 17:13.230 --> 17:15.270 Do they offer practice tests? 17:15.270 --> 17:16.990 How long is certification good for? 17:16.990 --> 17:18.150 Do you have to renew it? 17:18.470 --> 17:21.230 Is it actually certification or just a certificate? 17:21.350 --> 17:25.750 Is a certification issued with a unique id id to verify that? 17:25.790 --> 17:26.070 Yes. 17:26.070 --> 17:28.910 In fact, you did take the certification in. 17:28.910 --> 17:33.270 A potential employer could take a look and pull up those records. 17:37.990 --> 17:38.230 So. 17:40.550 --> 17:42.350 In the case of Mac and me, we took it. 17:42.950 --> 17:50.030 Uh, it had things like live instructor support, money back guarantee, and it had a list of different 17:50.030 --> 17:57.830 organizations and people that did recognize the certification and things like Missouri Police Department, 17:59.490 --> 18:01.250 US Department of Veteran Affairs. 18:01.250 --> 18:02.210 ET cetera, et cetera. 18:02.330 --> 18:05.690 So that was that was, you know, important to me. 18:07.970 --> 18:15.450 And in this case, they had information about their team, about the company, a refund, policies, 18:15.450 --> 18:20.730 terms of service, renewing your certification, codes of conduct. 18:22.530 --> 18:23.650 It had a telephone number. 18:23.690 --> 18:24.850 It had email address. 18:24.850 --> 18:29.010 It was easy to find and easy for me to get Ahold of someone. 18:29.450 --> 18:31.210 Again, very important to me. 18:33.650 --> 18:38.170 And they had an FAQ, which was very clear and helped a lot. 18:39.610 --> 18:44.770 And these are all great examples of what you want to see in a potential certification. 18:45.290 --> 18:47.530 So again, communication is absolutely critical. 18:47.570 --> 18:54.090 Sites should be easy to get Ahold of, and you should be free to ask any questions before you buy it 18:54.130 --> 18:55.730 during and even after. 18:57.410 --> 18:58.970 Of course should be up to date. 18:59.750 --> 19:03.710 and again accredited certified endorse all of that's very important. 19:04.750 --> 19:07.750 So it's important to see who's endorsing who recognizes it. 19:07.750 --> 19:10.950 And again it's your time and money that you're spending on this. 19:13.150 --> 19:15.110 So in the end I did get certified. 19:15.870 --> 19:19.390 And um, I was able to pass it the first time. 19:19.590 --> 19:23.790 Um, the in this case, when I took the consent course, I liked it a lot. 19:23.830 --> 19:25.470 The courseware was pretty good. 19:26.470 --> 19:30.670 The practice had a lot of practice tests after each session, which was fantastic. 19:30.670 --> 19:31.790 That helped a lot. 19:32.830 --> 19:36.750 And the actual test was I thought it was a good test. 19:40.070 --> 19:46.270 And they also gave me a, um, book I can download. 19:46.350 --> 19:49.870 And um, they did update it. 19:49.870 --> 19:58.070 So when I took it, it was definitely older than this and it just looked back and they updated it fairly 19:58.070 --> 19:58.750 recently. 19:58.850 --> 20:01.490 so that's great to see that they did update it. 20:01.490 --> 20:04.130 I still had access to the updated material. 20:06.850 --> 20:13.530 And again, having online quizzes is really, really useful in your certification that you're looking 20:13.530 --> 20:13.730 at. 20:13.730 --> 20:19.330 Should have some sort of quiz or test that you could take to practice before you take the plunge and 20:19.330 --> 20:20.850 take the take the test. 20:22.810 --> 20:26.610 Now, in this case, it was I was able to take the test at home. 20:26.610 --> 20:31.970 It was a proctored exam, so no photos, notes, pens or other electronics in the room. 20:31.970 --> 20:33.570 I can only have one monitor. 20:33.570 --> 20:35.970 I had to scan the room with my with my phone. 20:35.970 --> 20:41.650 I actually had a live person on the other end and they they took a look at the room. 20:41.650 --> 20:43.130 No food or drinks around. 20:43.330 --> 20:50.570 I had to have a webcam pointed at me, and I had to move my desk to point to the door. 20:52.370 --> 20:56.930 That way they can make sure that no one was at the door, kind of giving me answers again, it scanned 20:56.930 --> 21:03.510 the entire room, top of my desk, under my desk, and it was a live person the entire time watching 21:03.510 --> 21:04.750 me take the test. 21:06.830 --> 21:10.110 A lot of other times you actually go into a testing center. 21:10.110 --> 21:12.910 They put you in an individual room and you take your test. 21:13.950 --> 21:16.590 So final consideration is getting your certification. 21:16.630 --> 21:19.350 Certification can be incredibly rewarding. 21:19.390 --> 21:21.230 Same thing with with your certificate. 21:21.270 --> 21:24.150 Depending on again, what your goals and what your needs are. 21:25.070 --> 21:28.750 It's a great way to show people and employers your ability and credibility. 21:29.630 --> 21:32.430 It's a way to evaluate why you want to get. 21:32.910 --> 21:38.350 You need to evaluate why you want to get a certification, rather, determine which certification or 21:38.350 --> 21:43.150 certificate suits your need, and consider which certification or certificate will be recognized by 21:43.150 --> 21:46.310 your current or potential jobs or clients. 21:48.310 --> 21:49.630 And a final note. 21:49.670 --> 21:53.990 And I've had people tell me this a couple of times and it drives me nuts. 21:54.630 --> 22:00.880 So either they took a certification or they're thinking about taking a certification and then they check 22:00.880 --> 22:10.520 something like Reddit, or they check, uh, X or some forum or whatnot, and people are talking all 22:10.520 --> 22:12.440 sorts of junk about it. 22:12.440 --> 22:14.160 Your certifications worthless. 22:14.160 --> 22:17.880 Anyone with half a brain could, could, could have passed that. 22:18.680 --> 22:21.600 Uh, you don't need to study for that certification. 22:21.600 --> 22:23.520 Um, that's completely worthless. 22:23.520 --> 22:25.880 That's, you know, you wasted your time. 22:25.880 --> 22:30.280 It's not worth the paper it's printed on, uh, etc., etc.. 22:32.160 --> 22:32.400 So. 22:35.440 --> 22:41.840 My answer to people like that are, um, no, you didn't waste your time. 22:41.840 --> 22:50.320 So if you got value added certification or certificate, if your employer finds a value in that certificate 22:50.320 --> 22:54.240 or certification, you did not waste your time. 22:54.240 --> 23:02.620 You took your time, your money, and you studied and you applied that knowledge to take that test. 23:03.060 --> 23:05.740 That means something now. 23:06.220 --> 23:11.700 In my experience, people that usually talk all sorts of junk about a certification have never taken 23:11.700 --> 23:13.260 that certification. 23:13.260 --> 23:18.700 Or they took it and they failed that certification. 23:18.900 --> 23:30.980 If they cannot give you a valid, detailed reason why that certification is garbage, then they are. 23:31.020 --> 23:33.180 Well, I'm just going to say full of crap. 23:33.380 --> 23:33.780 Okay. 23:34.380 --> 23:44.260 Um, again, it's even certifications that I do not particularly agree with that I don't that I don't 23:44.300 --> 23:46.300 agree with some of the questions they ask. 23:46.740 --> 23:54.700 That is still time and your knowledge that you are proving that you are, that you are a expert in that 23:54.700 --> 23:55.780 subject matter. 23:57.380 --> 24:06.800 So that does account for things, and you should not let people tear you down for your goals and for 24:06.800 --> 24:14.400 your accomplishments, because at the end of the day, you spent that time, you spent your energy, 24:14.800 --> 24:21.600 you applied your knowledge and your ability to pass that whether it's a test that you take or it's it 24:21.600 --> 24:27.880 is something that you actually have to go in and you have to do something live like, um, break into 24:27.920 --> 24:34.320 a network that's, that is designed for you to break into or gather this information. 24:35.640 --> 24:41.160 Again, that is your time and your knowledge and your skills that accomplish that, that, not them. 24:41.160 --> 24:42.200 They didn't do it. 24:42.200 --> 24:42.880 You did. 24:43.600 --> 24:46.440 So don't let people tear you down for it. 24:48.360 --> 24:50.160 So that's a lot to think over. 24:50.600 --> 24:56.640 Hopefully, um, this kind of sets things straight and kind of sets things at ease for you. 24:56.960 --> 24:58.160 Thank you so much for watching. 24:58.280 --> 24:59.360 I'll see you in the next video.