1 00:00:00,256 --> 00:00:05,888 so hello everyone our current chapter Is 18 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:12,544 Today's topic is migration classic project to Tia portal 3 00:00:13,568 --> 00:00:15,616 So let's start 4 00:00:18,432 --> 00:00:24,576 We have here an example projects named as first project 5 00:00:24,832 --> 00:00:29,696 we used one simotion CPU and one HMI 6 00:00:31,232 --> 00:00:33,536 I'm going to 7 00:00:33,792 --> 00:00:35,328 Close the project 8 00:00:35,584 --> 00:00:39,168 Start the tia portal 9 00:00:41,472 --> 00:00:47,616 we can not use version 16 because there's no option Package simotion scout 10 00:00:47,872 --> 00:00:51,456 released with 16 11 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:57,088 Maybe they say it in the next like with version 17 12 00:00:57,344 --> 00:01:01,696 So I will continue with version 15 service pack 1 13 00:01:03,488 --> 00:01:07,840 I will send it to you the migrate project option 14 00:01:08,096 --> 00:01:11,680 I have to answer the source path 15 00:01:13,728 --> 00:01:19,616 So there's a list year old files that can be migrated 16 00:01:19,872 --> 00:01:21,664 Step 7 project 17 00:01:22,432 --> 00:01:27,040 HMI project I'm going to choose steps 7 project 18 00:01:27,808 --> 00:01:31,648 Go to my example 19 00:01:32,672 --> 00:01:38,816 In the folder you should select here the extension. Step7p 20 00:01:41,888 --> 00:01:43,936 And I click open 21 00:01:45,216 --> 00:01:48,800 So there's a checkbox include Hardware configuration 22 00:01:50,336 --> 00:01:55,200 It's your hardware and CPU in all the project in simatic manager 23 00:01:55,456 --> 00:02:00,832 Is recognizable by TIA portal so it's not problem 24 00:02:02,112 --> 00:02:08,256 At this point there are some requirements and there is a good PDF 25 00:02:08,512 --> 00:02:10,560 Prepared by Siemens 26 00:02:10,816 --> 00:02:16,192 You can find a website and SIOS or in forums 27 00:02:16,448 --> 00:02:22,592 Used 28 00:02:22,848 --> 00:02:25,152 Your house 29 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:34,624 Because older products at siemens site 30 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:41,024 Before 2008 it's not possible to use with new 31 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,120 new TIA portal versions so if 32 00:02:45,376 --> 00:02:51,520 You want to use your old Hardware you need to be careful about that 33 00:02:53,056 --> 00:02:55,360 i will selected wwith 34 00:02:55,616 --> 00:02:59,968 Includes Hardware configuration and the target paths 35 00:03:00,736 --> 00:03:03,808 So let's say simatic first project 36 00:03:04,064 --> 00:03:06,112 voncert 37 00:03:06,368 --> 00:03:07,392 TIA 15 38 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,696 Sp1 39 00:03:09,952 --> 00:03:13,792 So let's create them migrate button 40 00:03:16,864 --> 00:03:19,680 TIA is creating a new project 41 00:03:20,192 --> 00:03:24,032 And you can track the progress 42 00:03:24,288 --> 00:03:26,592 From output window in TIA 43 00:03:34,784 --> 00:03:37,856 so Let's see what will happen 44 00:03:40,928 --> 00:03:43,488 You see in progress 45 00:03:48,096 --> 00:03:51,680 Our program is really basic 46 00:03:51,936 --> 00:03:53,216 and 47 00:03:53,728 --> 00:03:57,056 there are Just One CPU and HMI 48 00:03:59,872 --> 00:04:02,688 Even here we get an migration error 49 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:09,344 Here in info window 50 00:04:14,464 --> 00:04:16,000 Project 51 00:04:16,512 --> 00:04:17,791 So 52 00:04:18,047 --> 00:04:20,607 That means 53 00:04:20,863 --> 00:04:25,471 HMI type is not supported by the TIA 54 00:04:26,239 --> 00:04:28,799 Because it's an old product 55 00:04:31,359 --> 00:04:32,895 So 56 00:04:35,711 --> 00:04:36,991 Let's open 57 00:04:38,527 --> 00:04:44,415 That means maybe I have to use the new version of simatic message HMI or 58 00:04:44,927 --> 00:04:46,719 And new type 59 00:04:57,215 --> 00:05:02,847 It's convert HMI device type with right click change device type 60 00:05:06,431 --> 00:05:08,991 I will choose 61 00:05:09,247 --> 00:05:10,783 Mobile panel 62 00:05:11,807 --> 00:05:14,879 Version 2 63 00:05:15,391 --> 00:05:21,535 MP 277 latest version okay 64 00:05:23,071 --> 00:05:27,167 HI screen is larger than older one 65 00:05:27,679 --> 00:05:32,031 Automatically scaled by the wincc flexible 66 00:05:32,287 --> 00:05:34,847 Save current project 67 00:05:35,103 --> 00:05:40,223 Before you do migration you have to be sure 68 00:05:40,735 --> 00:05:45,599 The programs are consistent and that's why 69 00:05:45,855 --> 00:05:48,671 You have to compile before 70 00:05:48,927 --> 00:05:51,231 Let's generate HMI data 71 00:05:52,767 --> 00:05:58,143 Otherwise you will get an error during migration in TIA 72 00:05:58,655 --> 00:06:00,959 compiled finish is close 73 00:06:01,983 --> 00:06:03,007 Yes 74 00:06:19,135 --> 00:06:22,719 This is our first attempt 75 00:06:22,975 --> 00:06:24,767 TIA created project 76 00:06:26,047 --> 00:06:27,583 Regeneration 77 00:06:31,167 --> 00:06:32,703 Let's try again 78 00:06:33,215 --> 00:06:35,263 in portal view 79 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:37,567 migrate projects 80 00:06:37,823 --> 00:06:43,711 Select the source path again the same project include Hardware 81 00:06:44,223 --> 00:06:45,759 Let's start 82 00:06:51,903 --> 00:06:54,975 These are the old messages 83 00:06:55,231 --> 00:06:57,023 now we will try again 84 00:06:57,791 --> 00:07:00,095 And get the error 85 00:07:00,607 --> 00:07:03,679 If I click the migration log 86 00:07:04,191 --> 00:07:10,335 web-based window open in my browser so that says the same thing 87 00:07:10,591 --> 00:07:12,383 chang HMI my device type 88 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:15,967 The source project reported documentation 89 00:07:20,063 --> 00:07:21,343 Okay 90 00:07:25,951 --> 00:07:30,815 List different version of 91 00:07:31,071 --> 00:07:32,351 TIA PORTAL for instance 92 00:07:34,143 --> 00:07:36,447 Version 14 93 00:07:38,495 --> 00:07:43,103 By the way your CPU type and firmware 94 00:07:43,615 --> 00:07:48,479 Also is important that you have to 95 00:07:48,735 --> 00:07:54,879 Be installed required option packages for the TIA portal for instance scout tia 96 00:07:55,903 --> 00:07:59,743 and wincc HMI advanced 97 00:08:01,791 --> 00:08:04,351 let select Migrate project 98 00:08:05,631 --> 00:08:07,679 Send the same project 99 00:08:08,703 --> 00:08:10,751 Includes Hardware 100 00:08:11,007 --> 00:08:12,799 Refer verison 14 101 00:08:28,159 --> 00:08:34,303 I'm empty new project created by the TIA portal and is starting now 102 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:40,703 Try to migrate to step manager project exporting project. 103 00:08:41,471 --> 00:08:44,543 Normally takes couple of minutes 104 00:08:45,823 --> 00:08:50,687 and you see here a different kind of error messages 105 00:08:54,015 --> 00:08:59,135 module in rack slot 2 cannot be migrated model is not supported 106 00:08:59,391 --> 00:09:02,463 Other interface module same message... 107 00:09:02,719 --> 00:09:07,327 This cannot be my create and error occurred during the migration 108 00:09:08,351 --> 00:09:14,239 Now regrets some error messages from Simotion site 109 00:09:18,591 --> 00:09:21,407 Then you'll see here web based message 110 00:09:23,455 --> 00:09:24,479 Okay 111 00:09:27,551 --> 00:09:31,903 Let's go and check my winCC flexible version 112 00:10:06,463 --> 00:10:12,607 I will check here until reports of which type of HMI with support 113 00:10:13,375 --> 00:10:14,911 basic panels 114 00:10:15,423 --> 00:10:18,495 Mobile panels 115 00:10:19,263 --> 00:10:21,311 270 series 116 00:10:23,871 --> 00:10:26,175 And I see here 117 00:10:27,199 --> 00:10:28,991 The MLFB number 118 00:10:29,247 --> 00:10:31,807 with Real version 12 119 00:10:34,111 --> 00:10:37,695 Yeah I will try with this one 120 00:10:38,719 --> 00:10:41,535 But I think the version is different 121 00:11:11,999 --> 00:11:15,839 Or just selected runtime 122 00:11:16,351 --> 00:11:21,727 To compete complete to migration is another way 123 00:11:26,591 --> 00:11:32,223 Also the reservation will be changed then you need to arrange your screens again 124 00:11:34,783 --> 00:11:36,063 Let's save 125 00:11:46,047 --> 00:11:48,095 first generate 126 00:11:53,727 --> 00:11:56,031 Let's try again 127 00:11:56,287 --> 00:11:58,591 to create project 128 00:11:59,103 --> 00:12:01,407 Select the same project 129 00:12:01,663 --> 00:12:03,199 include Hardware 130 00:12:03,455 --> 00:12:04,735 New path 131 00:12:10,367 --> 00:12:16,511 So this time I didn't closed the step 7 manager and the winccflexible 132 00:12:18,047 --> 00:12:20,351 So I get an error 133 00:12:20,863 --> 00:12:23,423 For that project may be opened 134 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,519 I have to close the applications 135 00:12:28,543 --> 00:12:30,079 Okay 136 00:12:41,855 --> 00:12:45,183 Let's try again migrate project 137 00:12:45,951 --> 00:12:49,023 Same project include Hardware 138 00:12:56,959 --> 00:12:59,519 Let's see what would happen this time 139 00:13:04,895 --> 00:13:07,199 Okay 140 00:13:07,711 --> 00:13:10,527 with verison 15 sp1 141 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:17,183 I got the same error message on simotions use Hardware 142 00:13:18,207 --> 00:13:22,815 can not be migrated because some modules are really old 143 00:13:23,071 --> 00:13:24,095 So 144 00:13:24,351 --> 00:13:26,399 First of all 145 00:13:27,167 --> 00:13:28,447 i will go 146 00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:33,567 Hardware and replace the old modules or delete 147 00:13:35,871 --> 00:13:38,431 That means TIA 148 00:13:39,199 --> 00:13:43,807 Don't recognize my hardware and models 149 00:13:55,071 --> 00:13:58,655 so Let's try this one 150 00:13:59,935 --> 00:14:01,215 Yes 151 00:14:09,151 --> 00:14:15,295 There are some radical changes with TIA version 13 by the way 152 00:14:15,807 --> 00:14:21,951 It's like a milestone siemens TIA world if you want to migrate all the projects 153 00:14:22,207 --> 00:14:26,303 for instance from version 154 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:29,631 from version 11 155 00:14:29,887 --> 00:14:36,031 to version 14 it's not possible to do that directly with version 14 156 00:14:36,287 --> 00:14:42,431 You have to use first version 13 migrate from version 11 to 13 157 00:14:42,687 --> 00:14:48,831 So after that as second step you are able to go one step up and migrate 158 00:14:49,087 --> 00:14:54,975 Take your project to version 14 or version 15 whatever you want 159 00:14:55,231 --> 00:15:01,375 So keep in that one's right now I'm working is simatic manager do hardware config 160 00:15:01,631 --> 00:15:06,495 i have deleted my old modules 161 00:15:06,751 --> 00:15:10,591 and let's save and compile again 162 00:15:11,103 --> 00:15:15,455 So I will try again with Tia portal 163 00:15:19,295 --> 00:15:21,343 In that case 164 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:27,999 Eventually at the end I think we will find out that 165 00:15:28,511 --> 00:15:30,047 our HMI 166 00:15:31,583 --> 00:15:37,727 MP277 HMI is possible to migrate with version 14 167 00:15:37,983 --> 00:15:42,079 It's not possible to migrate with version 15 Service Pack 1 168 00:15:43,615 --> 00:15:44,895 we will see that 169 00:15:45,663 --> 00:15:47,199 at This chapter 170 00:15:48,223 --> 00:15:51,551 In the next couple of minutes I hope so 171 00:15:53,087 --> 00:15:59,231 now i close the net Pro and hardware config that's why I have to wait a couple of minutes right 172 00:16:01,535 --> 00:16:06,143 because I can't control my mouse and cursor are here 173 00:16:07,423 --> 00:16:11,775 now first 174 00:16:12,031 --> 00:16:13,567 Let's try with 175 00:16:13,823 --> 00:16:15,359 TIA portal 176 00:16:15,871 --> 00:16:21,759 15 with flexible pc runtime and let's see 177 00:16:22,783 --> 00:16:25,855 What will happen in this time. 178 00:16:27,647 --> 00:16:30,719 And after that I will 179 00:16:30,975 --> 00:16:34,815 Replace the HMI back to 180 00:16:35,071 --> 00:16:36,863 MP series 181 00:16:37,119 --> 00:16:39,935 Try again with version 14 182 00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:45,311 Let's see the difference between versions 183 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:58,879 so It takes couple of minutes unfortunately I have to wait 184 00:17:08,095 --> 00:17:09,631 So now I'm ready 185 00:17:10,911 --> 00:17:13,727 Let's try version 15 186 00:17:14,239 --> 00:17:20,383 Migrate project it's a little annoying but sometimes you just can't 187 00:17:21,151 --> 00:17:27,295 Do anything about that so you have to find another solution or another possibility 188 00:17:27,551 --> 00:17:33,695 You have to look from another point of view to solve your 189 00:17:33,951 --> 00:17:35,231 Problem 190 00:17:35,487 --> 00:17:38,815 Sometimes it's not logical 191 00:17:39,327 --> 00:17:43,679 What's your game experience time my time 192 00:17:44,447 --> 00:17:46,239 Let's see... 193 00:17:56,735 --> 00:17:59,039 Remaining time in seconds 194 00:17:59,551 --> 00:18:01,343 Creating target project 195 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:05,439 I think we're passed this time 196 00:18:05,951 --> 00:18:11,071 TIA creating are objects in new project 197 00:18:26,687 --> 00:18:30,783 When you are working with solid state drives 198 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:33,087 it is Really faster than 199 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:36,159 Conventional hard drives 200 00:18:37,439 --> 00:18:39,231 Now I'm working 201 00:18:39,999 --> 00:18:41,279 Together 202 00:18:41,535 --> 00:18:43,327 so Sometimes 203 00:18:44,095 --> 00:18:47,679 it Takes longer time than usual 204 00:18:49,471 --> 00:18:54,335 If you have a bigger SSD drive like 1 gigabytes 205 00:18:56,127 --> 00:18:57,407 You have 206 00:18:58,175 --> 00:18:59,199 a lot of space 207 00:18:59,455 --> 00:19:02,271 And as faster program to work 208 00:19:04,063 --> 00:19:10,207 And migration project completed with warnings here the warnings of the migration scout must be compiled 209 00:19:15,839 --> 00:19:21,983 In this way and Alignment is performed on telegrams sync operation 210 00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:24,287 and so on... 211 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:28,895 So that means you have to download your 212 00:19:29,151 --> 00:19:32,735 TIA Scout project against Hardware 213 00:19:36,063 --> 00:19:38,367 Let's see 214 00:19:39,391 --> 00:19:44,511 And you can see here or HMI runtime with screen 1 215 00:19:50,655 --> 00:19:55,519 Is our design HMI screen one 216 00:19:55,775 --> 00:19:58,335 You see here simotion scout 217 00:19:58,591 --> 00:20:02,687 When I open device and networks on tia portal 218 00:20:03,199 --> 00:20:07,039 I already installed scout tia 219 00:20:08,831 --> 00:20:13,439 So I'm able to work with 220 00:20:14,207 --> 00:20:16,255 New version of CPUs 221 00:20:16,511 --> 00:20:18,559 Hardware looks like this 222 00:20:24,447 --> 00:20:29,055 so Similar menus but different design 223 00:20:29,311 --> 00:20:35,199 You will learn something new 224 00:20:35,711 --> 00:20:39,551 During same thing 225 00:20:39,807 --> 00:20:45,951 Yeah here in simotion tags when we click to show all 226 00:20:46,207 --> 00:20:52,351 here normally all of the axes we didn't compiled so 227 00:20:54,143 --> 00:20:57,215 First we have to compile or simotion 228 00:20:59,263 --> 00:21:05,407 And in TIA portal you're compiling the hardware sides of the simotion 229 00:21:07,455 --> 00:21:11,551 If you double click motion configuration 230 00:21:12,575 --> 00:21:16,416 simotion with TIA option with opens 231 00:21:19,232 --> 00:21:21,024 new window It's my 232 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,328 Desktop screen 233 00:21:24,352 --> 00:21:26,144 Or it's monitor 234 00:21:33,568 --> 00:21:39,712 It's really similar to simotion scout classic 235 00:21:39,968 --> 00:21:43,808 But there are some differences it menus 236 00:21:46,368 --> 00:21:47,904 Pros and cons 237 00:21:48,416 --> 00:21:52,768 Maybe we will examine next chapters 238 00:21:53,024 --> 00:21:57,888 Compare the differences advantages disadvantages 239 00:21:59,936 --> 00:22:01,984 So far 240 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,312 Looks like similar 241 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:08,640 Let's save and compile our CPU 242 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,696 Okay 243 00:22:23,744 --> 00:22:27,328 Working a little bit slower than the classic scout 244 00:22:28,352 --> 00:22:29,888 At the background 245 00:22:30,144 --> 00:22:32,448 You will see here window 246 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:39,104 now i Get the related data system variables MCC unit global 247 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,896 Device variables this here 248 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,760 So 249 00:22:52,672 --> 00:22:57,024 Let's change our device back to 250 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,096 HMI 251 00:23:01,632 --> 00:23:06,752 I'm going to use mobile HMI 10 inches 252 00:23:07,008 --> 00:23:08,800 with this version 253 00:23:13,664 --> 00:23:15,712 Let's say okay 254 00:23:24,928 --> 00:23:27,232 Save projects 255 00:23:27,744 --> 00:23:30,048 from compile HMI 256 00:23:48,224 --> 00:23:52,832 You see here the current progress is still compiling 257 00:23:53,088 --> 00:23:58,720 I'm you get some error messages as invalid symbols 258 00:24:01,536 --> 00:24:04,352 so PLC tag 259 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,400 is Undefined 260 00:24:06,656 --> 00:24:09,216 Please check the connection 261 00:24:09,472 --> 00:24:12,288 Right now we don't have any connection 262 00:24:12,544 --> 00:24:14,592 Between HMI and CPU 263 00:24:14,848 --> 00:24:17,408 so you have to make a connection 264 00:24:18,176 --> 00:24:21,504 Let's say service ports 265 00:24:22,016 --> 00:24:24,064 and correct subnet mask 266 00:24:28,416 --> 00:24:30,720 For HMI connection 267 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,608 You see here simotion Port this one 268 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,872 Let's see details looks like fine 269 00:24:56,832 --> 00:25:00,928 I will replace the old connection here 270 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,512 Delete 271 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,352 So this is the current 272 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:13,216 Connection list check the tags 273 00:25:13,728 --> 00:25:15,008 Show all tags 274 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:21,664 The connection was is incorrect HMI Connection 275 00:25:24,736 --> 00:25:30,880 Yes you take is still in red color that means no 276 00:25:31,136 --> 00:25:37,280 Interconnection and I have to rewire or synchronize the PLC tag list 277 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,984 During a project that are some options to do sync PLC tags with Wincc 278 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:56,224 I said your paths of PLC tags match and desselect 279 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,576 the checkBox and click synchronize 280 00:26:01,088 --> 00:26:07,232 Unfortunately couldn't do that because there are some addresses 281 00:26:07,488 --> 00:26:10,816 here but symbols are missing 282 00:26:11,328 --> 00:26:17,472 So let's try with the type and absolute address match 283 00:26:17,728 --> 00:26:19,776 And synchronize 284 00:26:23,616 --> 00:26:27,968 Because at this case I have here some absolute addresses 285 00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:32,576 now I'm able to connect to tags 286 00:26:33,344 --> 00:26:35,904 PLC TAGS list is updated 287 00:26:38,208 --> 00:26:41,024 So let's compile HMI 288 00:26:41,536 --> 00:26:42,816 And try again 289 00:26:45,376 --> 00:26:51,520 error Message related Administration password default password is 290 00:26:51,776 --> 00:26:54,080 Hundred 291 00:26:54,336 --> 00:26:57,920 for siemens hmis ok 292 00:27:05,344 --> 00:27:07,136 on hmi side 293 00:27:07,648 --> 00:27:12,768 Is consistent and ready I will check 294 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,632 scout tia side with simosim 295 00:27:18,144 --> 00:27:19,680 Yes 296 00:27:25,056 --> 00:27:31,200 It looks like a similar to Classic Scout but attention please right now working with tia 297 00:27:35,552 --> 00:27:38,112 I hit the connect the target system 298 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:45,024 So I'm connected to simulation I'm going to download and follow the same steps 299 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,632 At the beginning of this chapter 300 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,776 So let's take 301 00:27:56,032 --> 00:28:01,152 A few seconds to download project is resetting the project target system 302 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,504 Software power on 303 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,296 Start up again 304 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,112 Technology packages will be loaded for 305 00:28:10,368 --> 00:28:12,416 The first time 306 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:19,584 Sources has been changed and project downloaded I will set remote again 307 00:28:20,864 --> 00:28:27,008 Now I switch back to TAI portal HMI side I will click again the starts with a simulation 308 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,480 And if you're lucky you will get 309 00:28:36,736 --> 00:28:38,784 Your connection running 310 00:28:40,576 --> 00:28:44,160 Let's check our buttons is working well 311 00:28:44,416 --> 00:28:46,720 Our communication established 312 00:28:46,976 --> 00:28:48,512 so That's it 313 00:28:48,768 --> 00:28:51,328 Let's close the runtime 314 00:28:53,632 --> 00:28:59,776 Let's close simotion scout tia and some simosim 315 00:29:00,032 --> 00:29:02,848 So if you want to close your project 316 00:29:03,104 --> 00:29:04,896 On TIA site 317 00:29:05,408 --> 00:29:11,552 There's a warning because your scout tia 318 00:29:11,808 --> 00:29:13,088 is open so Please close 319 00:29:15,392 --> 00:29:20,768 First you have to close your scout tia window 320 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,144 so Let's go back and 321 00:29:26,912 --> 00:29:29,984 Open the manager and consist of winccflexible 322 00:29:34,336 --> 00:29:40,224 And change the HMI type here 323 00:29:47,392 --> 00:29:50,976 So migration to TIA Portal starting 324 00:30:00,448 --> 00:30:04,800 I will select it again 325 00:30:05,056 --> 00:30:08,384 change device type and start to old one 326 00:30:08,896 --> 00:30:12,480 With this okay 327 00:30:24,768 --> 00:30:29,376 restarted generated and to be sure 328 00:30:29,632 --> 00:30:35,776 That everything is consistent with is finished I will close 329 00:30:51,136 --> 00:30:56,512 so Let's try with version 14 to do the migration 330 00:30:57,024 --> 00:31:02,400 I'm selected the project is same project and include the hardware 331 00:31:04,704 --> 00:31:08,800 Let's see what will happen in this case 332 00:31:15,968 --> 00:31:18,272 So I get an error 333 00:31:19,296 --> 00:31:24,416 You see here the module is new version is not supported 334 00:31:24,672 --> 00:31:26,208 Okay 335 00:31:26,464 --> 00:31:32,608 Let's replace the CPU type with old firmware version 336 00:31:37,216 --> 00:31:40,544 I will go on Hardware 337 00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:43,616 And right click 338 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,528 On the rail let's say replace the object with same type of CPU 339 00:31:51,552 --> 00:31:53,600 D425-2 340 00:31:54,624 --> 00:32:00,768 Two different kind of CPU allow with profibus model or profinet 341 00:32:01,792 --> 00:32:07,680 unfortunately it's possible to go One Step Up 342 00:32:08,192 --> 00:32:10,496 at this case 343 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,712 There is no way to do a go back one step 344 00:32:21,248 --> 00:32:22,272 So 345 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,232 You see here on the available CPUs 346 00:32:32,512 --> 00:32:34,560 Another way to do that 347 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,448 you can export 348 00:32:41,216 --> 00:32:46,080 Your variables and Tos as examine XML 349 00:32:46,592 --> 00:32:51,712 External file that creates your see-through again 350 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,320 Import your exported data 351 00:32:56,576 --> 00:33:00,928 to new older firmware version CPU 352 00:33:01,184 --> 00:33:02,464 after that 353 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,840 You are able to continue with your old system and migrate to TIA portal 354 00:33:13,472 --> 00:33:17,056 It's good example 355 00:33:18,336 --> 00:33:21,152 For you at this case 356 00:33:21,408 --> 00:33:27,552 Of course there are always some minor things or untold trues 357 00:33:30,112 --> 00:33:31,648 Between versions 358 00:33:32,672 --> 00:33:38,816 Each updates in software that are some new features are so that our some bugs 359 00:33:39,328 --> 00:33:40,608 Comes together 360 00:33:42,656 --> 00:33:48,800 If you're using the product 361 00:33:49,056 --> 00:33:51,360 day by day with new project you gain More experienced so 362 00:33:51,616 --> 00:33:53,408 At this point 363 00:33:54,432 --> 00:34:00,320 I want to show you and pdf file on website 364 00:34:01,088 --> 00:34:07,232 here in SIOS 365 00:34:08,512 --> 00:34:14,656 And I go see my support sites at answer here my favorite for Searching 366 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:21,824 Also that I get the compatibility list of software products in Simotion 367 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,616 environments 368 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,432 For different versions 369 00:34:27,456 --> 00:34:29,248 And 370 00:34:29,504 --> 00:34:32,064 it is A good thing to 371 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,440 Be sure if my scout is comfortable 372 00:34:37,952 --> 00:34:40,256 with windows 373 00:34:41,024 --> 00:34:47,168 And if you wonder if it's possible to install for example version 374 00:34:47,424 --> 00:34:50,496 5.3 to Windows 7 375 00:34:51,264 --> 00:34:52,544 You'll see here 376 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,944 By the way they are different 2 different setups Scout Standalone and Scout classic 377 00:35:00,992 --> 00:35:07,136 Let's say if you are using simatic manager and it's already installed 378 00:35:07,392 --> 00:35:13,536 Your PC you're going to use the Scout option package DVDs 379 00:35:13,792 --> 00:35:16,096 Install Simotion 380 00:35:16,352 --> 00:35:21,472 On the other hand if you are not using simatic manager 381 00:35:21,984 --> 00:35:28,128 You can install Scout stand-alone on your windows so 382 00:35:28,384 --> 00:35:30,944 let see in chapter 1 383 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,248 Compatibility between 384 00:35:33,504 --> 00:35:35,296 Scout and windows 385 00:35:36,832 --> 00:35:37,600 So... 386 00:35:37,856 --> 00:35:44,000 for version 5.3 Service Pack 1 is it possible to install Windows 7 387 00:35:44,256 --> 00:35:45,792 professional 388 00:35:46,048 --> 00:35:47,584 Service Pack 1 389 00:35:48,096 --> 00:35:50,656 Only 64 bit processor and 390 00:35:51,168 --> 00:35:55,008 You know operating system 391 00:35:55,264 --> 00:35:59,360 Is also possible to install Windows 10 Enterprise 392 00:36:01,664 --> 00:36:07,808 If you're searching for compatibility between different kind of softwares 393 00:36:10,112 --> 00:36:14,720 For different option packages here you will find 394 00:36:15,488 --> 00:36:18,816 Requirements and information 395 00:36:20,608 --> 00:36:26,240 Between CFC and DCC also there's some issues 396 00:36:27,264 --> 00:36:28,800 If you are using 397 00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:32,128 The CFC 7.0 398 00:36:32,384 --> 00:36:35,200 PCS7 for instance 399 00:36:35,712 --> 00:36:40,064 You are able to use DCC For simotion version 400 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,880 2.0 Service Pack 1 at this case 401 00:36:46,464 --> 00:36:52,608 Another good way to use 402 00:36:52,864 --> 00:36:59,008 Virtual machines on the same PC to prevent 403 00:36:59,776 --> 00:37:03,872 To use incompatible 404 00:37:04,128 --> 00:37:08,480 versions because there are a lot of Siemens products and options 405 00:37:08,736 --> 00:37:14,880 If you are using both simatic products simotion products and sinumerik products 406 00:37:15,136 --> 00:37:21,280 sometimes is not possible to install all of them in one piece and one harddrive so 407 00:37:21,792 --> 00:37:26,400 That case you have to find the solution 408 00:37:26,912 --> 00:37:32,288 I think the virtual environment is one of them 409 00:37:35,872 --> 00:37:38,432 And you see here simotion kernel 410 00:37:38,688 --> 00:37:40,480 with Cf carts 411 00:37:41,248 --> 00:37:44,832 here the MLFB code of cf cards 412 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,720 You don't have to keeping all of them in your mind 413 00:37:50,976 --> 00:37:52,768 but you are 414 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,376 Already know how do you find 415 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,192 Information 416 00:38:02,496 --> 00:38:08,640 about User memory controller based place for drive based platform 417 00:38:08,896 --> 00:38:11,968 here with new firmware version 418 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,624 Sometimes you get more retentive user variable or 419 00:38:19,136 --> 00:38:20,160 More 420 00:38:20,416 --> 00:38:22,464 User memory 421 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,536 with devices 422 00:38:32,448 --> 00:38:36,800 There are also some information regarding to compact flash cards 423 00:38:37,056 --> 00:38:39,616 and compatibilities 424 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,736 you will see here 425 00:38:44,992 --> 00:38:48,832 simotion scout and tia portal and device proxy 426 00:38:51,136 --> 00:38:52,928 possible connections with HMI 427 00:38:53,696 --> 00:38:56,512 For instance with 428 00:38:56,768 --> 00:38:59,328 HMI version 11 429 00:38:59,584 --> 00:39:03,936 It's not possible to communicate simotion 430 00:39:04,192 --> 00:39:06,240 So it's a strange thing 431 00:39:07,008 --> 00:39:13,152 When did comfort and basic HMI panels first released unfortunately 432 00:39:13,408 --> 00:39:19,552 we were not able to use Siemens HMI products with simotion 433 00:39:19,808 --> 00:39:22,368 It's like a joke 434 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,904 By the way 435 00:39:24,416 --> 00:39:27,488 It's really a strange thing for us 436 00:39:28,256 --> 00:39:32,352 But after the version 12 birth of the TIA portal unreleased 437 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680 we were able to use 438 00:39:35,936 --> 00:39:40,800 Siemens HMI products siemens simotion plc older days using winccflexible 439 00:39:47,456 --> 00:39:52,064 For many years it's a stable program now 440 00:39:53,088 --> 00:39:59,232 Each year and new version of TIA portal release and we have to keep moving 441 00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:02,304 but 442 00:40:03,072 --> 00:40:09,216 At the meantime you have to be careful about that's durng 443 00:40:09,472 --> 00:40:11,776 Project development 444 00:40:13,056 --> 00:40:18,432 And that's what I mean by I said you're getting some experience 445 00:40:18,944 --> 00:40:20,736 So 446 00:40:22,528 --> 00:40:24,576 That's all for now 447 00:40:24,832 --> 00:40:27,392 I'm closing my windows 448 00:40:27,904 --> 00:40:29,184 And manager 449 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,488 and TIA portal 450 00:40:35,584 --> 00:40:39,168 so lets see you at Next chapters. Chaou.