1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,584 Chapter 32 2 00:00:04,096 --> 00:00:09,728 Scout Classic on TIA Scout comperation pros and cons 3 00:00:10,496 --> 00:00:14,848 Let's talk about and which way 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:21,504 should we Choose before we begin to develop our project 5 00:00:23,808 --> 00:00:25,088 I have written 6 00:00:26,368 --> 00:00:28,928 Something in my mind 7 00:00:33,024 --> 00:00:34,304 about scout classic Today 8 00:00:35,584 --> 00:00:41,216 we still use instead of TIA scout 9 00:00:41,472 --> 00:00:44,288 it is a stable environment 10 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:50,688 Of course that are some bugs sometimes it's Crush depends on your system PC 11 00:00:50,944 --> 00:00:53,504 Ram size or Windows 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,296 version 13 00:00:56,064 --> 00:01:02,208 it is Sustainable and reasonable when you compared with TIA scout 14 00:01:03,232 --> 00:01:08,608 each year Almost siemens release new version of TIA scout 15 00:01:11,168 --> 00:01:12,192 still development So 16 00:01:12,448 --> 00:01:18,336 test environment with Different kind of products of firmwares already done 17 00:01:18,848 --> 00:01:23,456 That means there are a lot of questions and FAQs 18 00:01:25,504 --> 00:01:30,368 information already it you can just find easily when you have 19 00:01:31,136 --> 00:01:35,744 The problem or faced with a strange situation so 20 00:01:36,512 --> 00:01:39,584 This an advantage for classical world 21 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,424 it is Possible to convert TIA scout sometime later on 22 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:44,192 Yep 23 00:01:44,448 --> 00:01:50,592 If you begin to program your CPU classic scout simatic manager 24 00:01:50,848 --> 00:01:54,176 simotion Scouts at wincc flexible 25 00:01:54,432 --> 00:02:00,576 After that is possible to convert to TIA from classical world ofcourse 26 00:02:03,136 --> 00:02:06,208 winccflexible integration 27 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,256 Is only possible 28 00:02:08,512 --> 00:02:11,328 When you are working with Old panels 29 00:02:12,608 --> 00:02:18,240 nowadays MP or TP series old panels as 30 00:02:20,288 --> 00:02:24,896 Selling as a spare parts so that's why the costs are really high 31 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:31,040 nowadays on the other hand we use new comfort and basic panels and 32 00:02:31,552 --> 00:02:37,440 These are just programmable with TIA portal 13 or newer 33 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,024 That's a con for 34 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,840 Disadvantage in classical world 35 00:02:44,608 --> 00:02:47,424 project generator works with classical 36 00:02:47,936 --> 00:02:51,520 So scripts are working properly on Classical side 37 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,944 sinamics side Wizards and configuration is so much better and faster here 38 00:03:01,504 --> 00:03:03,808 because we already used to 39 00:03:04,576 --> 00:03:10,720 Work with this environments I can remember the settings and menus and wizards 40 00:03:11,744 --> 00:03:16,096 So I can work faster when I switch back to TIA world 41 00:03:17,632 --> 00:03:23,776 and There's a software package sinamics basic and startdrive advanced in New version 42 00:03:24,032 --> 00:03:26,848 TIA portal for 15 and 16 43 00:03:27,872 --> 00:03:34,016 So it's possible to configure your sinamics s120 side on your 44 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,832 TIA portal IDE 45 00:03:37,856 --> 00:03:44,000 But there are some but still there are somethings are missing and the Wizards are terrible right now so 46 00:03:45,024 --> 00:03:48,096 That's why I prefer the use classical way 47 00:03:55,264 --> 00:03:59,104 When programmers should use TIA scout? 48 00:03:59,616 --> 00:04:00,896 What is the most 49 00:04:01,152 --> 00:04:07,296 Program PLC and HMI together with comfort new series panels maybe you should 50 00:04:07,552 --> 00:04:10,112 continiue with this way 51 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,416 classical TIA scout 52 00:04:13,952 --> 00:04:19,327 By the way if your programming several of CPUs and there's a communication between 53 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,191 Simotion at step71500 is always to use 54 00:04:24,703 --> 00:04:29,311 with profinet IO device controllers communication 55 00:04:29,567 --> 00:04:30,335 Then 56 00:04:30,591 --> 00:04:32,639 Maybe you should select you TIA scout 57 00:04:32,895 --> 00:04:35,711 Because it's easy to do that 58 00:04:36,223 --> 00:04:39,039 Otherwise you have to export 59 00:04:39,295 --> 00:04:40,319 Your 60 00:04:40,575 --> 00:04:43,903 Simotion configuration IO device 61 00:04:44,159 --> 00:04:48,255 as GSDML file and you have to import on the other side 62 00:04:48,767 --> 00:04:49,279 and 63 00:04:49,535 --> 00:04:55,423 If you made some changes later on you have to manually update for the TIA 64 00:04:56,191 --> 00:04:59,519 Export and import again. Take some time 65 00:05:00,799 --> 00:05:01,567 This 66 00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:05,407 Integrated programming is a plus 67 00:05:06,175 --> 00:05:08,223 For TIA Scout 68 00:05:10,527 --> 00:05:13,599 Easy to select HMI text from list 69 00:05:13,855 --> 00:05:19,231 You can design Faster your HMI screens and you can work 70 00:05:19,999 --> 00:05:22,815 Simultaneously with simotion CPU 71 00:05:23,583 --> 00:05:24,607 Normally 72 00:05:25,119 --> 00:05:27,423 It programmer should 73 00:05:28,447 --> 00:05:34,591 Make the both of the PLC side and HMI side so that's why you can select 74 00:05:34,847 --> 00:05:35,871 TIA scout 75 00:05:37,407 --> 00:05:38,687 as a minus 76 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:44,831 You switch TIA or HMI side some modifications can cause 77 00:05:45,087 --> 00:05:46,367 hardware change 78 00:05:47,135 --> 00:05:50,719 That means you have to download your simotion side again 79 00:05:50,975 --> 00:05:53,791 and CPU goes to stop state 80 00:05:54,303 --> 00:05:58,911 So you lose much time specially on low-level CPUs 81 00:06:04,543 --> 00:06:07,871 D410 or D425 82 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:12,223 This is some kind of a BUG with TIA Scouts 83 00:06:15,807 --> 00:06:20,159 basically you're just opening your project when you double-click 84 00:06:21,183 --> 00:06:26,047 Similar version of the classical scout is opening on new window 85 00:06:27,071 --> 00:06:29,631 That are some functions still missing 86 00:06:30,143 --> 00:06:34,751 Scripts are not working properly yet unfortunately 87 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:38,591 That's the cons of TIA Scout 88 00:06:43,967 --> 00:06:46,015 Also the TIA portal 89 00:06:46,271 --> 00:06:48,319 Requires more RAM 90 00:06:48,831 --> 00:06:51,391 and more CPU resources 91 00:06:52,415 --> 00:06:54,719 That's why I'm working is slowly 92 00:06:55,743 --> 00:06:58,559 When you compared to classical siemens 93 00:06:58,815 --> 00:07:00,863 Programs and 94 00:07:01,119 --> 00:07:04,191 Like manager and wincc flexible 95 00:07:07,263 --> 00:07:10,591 That's another cons for The TIA Scout 96 00:07:12,895 --> 00:07:19,039 Because on the field working sometimes is really successful you have to manage your time 97 00:07:19,295 --> 00:07:21,087 Properly and wisely 98 00:07:24,415 --> 00:07:25,439 and... 99 00:07:27,231 --> 00:07:31,327 I'm sorry about the TIA portal doesn't help you at this case 100 00:07:32,351 --> 00:07:34,143 You have to use 101 00:07:34,655 --> 00:07:37,983 SSD hard drives with very powerful configuration 102 00:07:38,239 --> 00:07:39,263 Laptop 103 00:07:45,663 --> 00:07:47,199 you need than 104 00:07:47,711 --> 00:07:50,015 utilization of TIA is too high 105 00:07:52,063 --> 00:07:57,183 So you're just click and wait a couple of minutes sometimes during compilation 106 00:07:58,719 --> 00:08:02,559 Online Diagnostic and data transfer a little bit slower 107 00:08:02,815 --> 00:08:05,631 Running compared to classical scout 108 00:08:07,423 --> 00:08:08,447 And 109 00:08:12,287 --> 00:08:13,567 it Is a minus 110 00:08:14,591 --> 00:08:16,383 So next thing is 111 00:08:17,407 --> 00:08:20,991 About sinamics drive site option released for 112 00:08:21,503 --> 00:08:26,111 it is possible configure your drive cliq objects projects on your Hardware 113 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:31,743 Device and networks on TIA but there are some bugs also 114 00:08:31,999 --> 00:08:35,839 Like Safety integrated functional sometimes with 115 00:08:36,351 --> 00:08:40,703 Different firmware versions if it's not working properly 116 00:08:42,751 --> 00:08:46,591 You just here see the TIA Scout 117 00:08:46,847 --> 00:08:48,895 there are some menus shortened 118 00:08:52,735 --> 00:08:56,063 For some reason 119 00:09:01,439 --> 00:09:05,023 It's your choice but if it's possible I think 120 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,327 i should select and 121 00:09:07,583 --> 00:09:09,631 I prefer to continue with classical world 122 00:09:09,887 --> 00:09:14,239 at the end that is my opinion 123 00:09:16,287 --> 00:09:18,847 Advanced it's up to you 124 00:09:21,663 --> 00:09:27,807 it is short chapter just for your information 125 00:09:28,831 --> 00:09:33,695 I think it's a good way to transfer some knowledge or experience from 126 00:09:35,231 --> 00:09:38,047 One collegue to another college so... See you next time.